3 thoughts on “Do you understand?

  1. Dan, you are correct in worrying about the salvation of people. However the Bible and Scripture is open to interpretation and that personal interpretation then becomes that persons reality and the filter they make choices through. Remember that the Apostle Paul was a pharisee of pharisees, a top Jew who was far advanced in his understanding of Hebrew Scripture.. and yet in the DEFENSE of the Scripture he wanted to kill the disciples of who where proclaiming Christ.

    Gal 1:11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    He had a revelation and that insight changed his whole life and turned it so around that one moment he was against the disciples and the next he was with them.

    I propose to you that what you think salvation is is not really so. Believing that Jesus is the Messiah is only a small minute part… more like a baby step towards salvation. There are many people in the Church who think they are saved and are not. Even though they may believe in Jesus.

    You had asked in the previous post comments what Sin is and you had mentioned Matthew 7:

    The Hebrew definition for Sin #H2398 in the Strong’s concordance is to Miss the Mark or Path.

    When you look up “Mark” H226 in the Hebrew it means The plowing of a field by driving the oxen to a distant mark. The word “Mark” in the Ancient Hebrew pictograph is identified as ox head and a cross. The ox being symbolic of God leading us to the mark of the cross.

    The Greek word for Sin is #G264 in the Strong’s Concordance also says it is to miss the mark but also adds ” to wander from the law of God, violate God’s law, sin”.

    So to summarize we have sin being to miss the mark/path. The mark being the cross and we are being led toward it by an ox which is symbolic of God. The mark also is the Law of God.

    Gods law is His Torah and without the understanding of the Old Testament writings the full picture of the Messiah is impossible to see.

    You quoted in the previous post Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    Those that practice lawlessness are those violate God’s law. The Torah. How many Christians do you know who practice Torah. Very few.

    When reading the Gospel’s notice how often Moses is referenced. When Jesus heals the leper He says, Go show yourself to the priest and offer the gift that Moses commanded referring to Lev. 14:2. Jesus followed the Torah. Jesus was the Torah that was being revealed. Believing in Jesus is not what salvation is. Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel.. The Jews. He was showing them “look I am Torah. Believe I am Torah. On the foundation of Torah” So when the New Testament says believe and you shall be saved it is talking from a Jewish perspective.

    ….Look at the tabernacle of Moses (from google images). The furniture of the tabernacle is layed out in the shape of the Cross. The tabernacle of Moses has everything to do with Jesus. When the parable of the boy that was having seizures and was being thrown into the *fire and water* was brought to Jesus, that boy was in the outer court of the tabernacle of Moses and could not get passed that outer court where the furniture are the alter of burnt offering and the laver for washing(Fire and Water!).

    …. What about the woman who had the issue of blood and she touched the hem of Jesus garment. Every Jew would know that she was unclean and that she touched Jesus who was clean… Now making HIM Unclean according to Lev 15:19. The hem of the garment that she touched was not just any hem but the tzitzit Numb15:38-39 that was to be a reminder of the commandments. Henceforth she got a revelation of the Law through the Hem of Jesus’ garment making her healed of her impurity of blood.

    These are the New Testament parables but they have little meaning without the Old Testament background. Therefore “Missing the Mark = Sin”. Jesus was a Jew, he celebrated the Feasts ordained in the Torah and becoming the Sin offering for us all.

    Salvation starts by understanding who He really is. Satan believes in Jesus. Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness. Satan knows Scripture and Satan tested Jesus with the Scripture. Salvation is not as simple and clear cut as saying a sinners prayer and believing Jesus is Lord.

    Jesus says in John 5:46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?”

    Most Christian Churches have removed the Jew out of Jesus. That is a big “Miss The Mark”.

    Its been a while since I had such an in depth “conversation”. I have just come back to reading my Bible since starting MKMMA. I hope you don’t mind me sharing my thoughts on the points you had mentioned. And I share it all with pure intentions as it has been revealed to me and how it rocked my world and turned it on its side.

    MKS seems to be based on quantum laws of physics and relates it to natural physical scientific laws. It has been decades since I learned anything of this sorts in high school and college. That kind of realm does exist (and science proves it to be true) and it is all part of God’s creation then…. I am glad I learned about it (Rom 1:20).

    Enjoy your trip to Nicaragua. I look forward to reading about it.

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  2. Hi Catherine,
    I read your comment before I went on my trip and have just read it again. Thank you for your insight and knowledge of the understanding you have of the scriptures.
    It is indeed interesting to read of Paul and the change that occurred in his life. One of the neat things he brings out in his teaching of Christ and the law is found starting in Galations Chapter 3.
    See, Salvation came out of a promise made years before the law was put in place. As Paul says in verse 24, “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.”
    As I am sure you know,”Gospel” means “good news” and we are to take that to the world. If there is good news then this must mean there is bad news that must also be explained and that makes the good new meaningful.
    The Law teaches us that we can’t keep it. You are right that salvation is not just simply going through the motion but it is an act of obedience to believe on God and to accept the gift of Salvation through Jesus.

    Jesus, himself said in John 3:14-21King James Version (KJV)
    14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    When, out of obedience, to “look upon” the serpent the people were healed the same applies to us. We may not fully understand all there is about God and Jesus, His Son but by obediently looking to him and trusting him, then the gift of grace is given to us and we have salvation.

    Just as the Galations were being….Many of us, after we have become children of God through belief in Jesus, try to “earn” our salvation still by going back to the Law and trying to keep it. The focus becomes bad for us because then our trust is no longer on God but on how good we can be. This doesn’t stop our salvation but it hinders our relationship with Him because He is no longer in control and we are trying to be the ones “running the show”. In fact, God says all our good works as filthy rags (Isiah 64:6)….I want to be careful that I focus on Him and what He want me to doing in my relationship with Him. My obedience to Him is the most important thing I can do.

    Jesus dieing as a sacrifice for me was not a simple thing, Him bearing my punishment for my sins was hard because it separated Him from God for eternity……Just as I deserved. I missed the mark but Jesus made a way for me and I am so glad.

    The Torah is very important because Jesus is written all over it and it brings us to Him.

    Thanks for the discussion.



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